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Dean
Season kicks off today.

The game of the day will be the Celts vs. the Cavs. Boston will groan in horror as KG reinjures his knee, and Cleveland will sigh when they realize that Shaq hit his peak about 5 years ago.

Lakers play the Clips, but the curse strikes again as Griffin has a broken kneecap and could be out 6 weeks.

The Colonel
I'll sum up the entire modern NBA in one clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI



edit: don't quit on the clip too early, one of the best lines comes in the last 10 seconds.
rick
I just hope Boston tires Cleveland out enough for Toronto the following night!!
Dean
QUOTE(The Colonel @ Oct 27 2009, 01:29 PM) *
I'll sum up the entire modern NBA in one clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI



edit: don't quit on the clip too early, one of the best lines comes in the last 10 seconds.

I'm actually not sure what your point is, but I happen to agree with him.

The same thing could be said of any professioal sport.
The Colonel
QUOTE(Dean @ Oct 27 2009, 06:21 PM) *
QUOTE(The Colonel @ Oct 27 2009, 01:29 PM) *
I'll sum up the entire modern NBA in one clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI



edit: don't quit on the clip too early, one of the best lines comes in the last 10 seconds.

I'm actually not sure what your point is, but I happen to agree with him.

The same thing could be said of any professioal sport.


professional basketball is full of individuals who think they're bigger than the team and most take no extra effort in honing their skill. kobe is the only marquee name that practices like he still has something to prove. to top it off when the reporter in the clip agrees to make it a foregone conclusion that maybe AI doesn't need to practice, yet he might be able help his teammates, he is injured by the idea of him needing to be there for someone other than himself.

this is not something that could be said of any professional sport. basketball is the only instance of where the playoffs get MUCH better not just because the teams are better, but because the players start trying. that is pathetic.

You needn't look any further than the decline of our "dream team" in the Olympics and the effort it took to put us back at the top. those teams that failed were a direct result of the lazy and self-centered attitude of today's NBA star.
Dean
Each team needs a leader. Kobe is clearly one of those guys, and so are guys like Tim Duncan. However, AI has never been leadership material - he is clearly an individual and should be treated that way. Just because someone is the best player on a team doesn't make them a good leader, and it doesn't mean they are someone their teammates should look to for guidance.

That's why you need veterans on the team and players that have been to the big stage before. AI is not the type of guy to build a franchise around, and owners and coaches making this mistake is why his teams have never won a championship.

I don't agree with your point about this being the problem with the entire modern NBA. I think there are more superstars who are NOT like AI, and who think of team first. Kobe USED to be that guy. Kobe used to be the most selfish guy on the team. But that's all forgotten because he's evolved. He learned the error of his ways, but some never do.
The Gunslinger
I agree Dean. I think Colonel's argument had some weight to it 3-5 years ago but it pretty much invalid now.


The NBA might be entering another golden age right now.
Phife
I think that both sides of this are right. In the NBA, just like in all sport and in life in general, there are good and bad seeds. Every time period in the NBA's history has prima donnas and selfless dudes. For every George Yardley there's a Bob Cousy. For every Wilt Chamberlin there's an Oscar Robertson. For every Dave Bing there's a Lenny Wilkens. For every David Thompson there's a Rick Barry. For every Bernard King there's an Isaiah Thomas. For every Dominiqe Wilkins there's a John Stockton. For every Allen Iverson there's a Tim Duncan. And for every Labron James there's a Chris Paul. So, no, this is not a problem just now and its not just true of the NBA. Human nature...heard of it?
The Colonel
QUOTE(Phife @ Oct 28 2009, 02:20 PM) *
I think that both sides of this are right. In the NBA, just like in all sport and in life in general, there are good and bad seeds. Every time period in the NBA's history has prima donnas and selfless dudes. For every George Yardley there's a Bob Cousy. For every Wilt Chamberlin there's an Oscar Robertson. For every Dave Bing there's a Lenny Wilkens. For every David Thompson there's a Rick Barry. For every Bernard King there's an Isaiah Thomas. For every Dominiqe Wilkins there's a John Stockton. For every Allen Iverson there's a Tim Duncan. And for every Labron James there's a Chris Paul. So, no, this is not a problem just now and its not just true of the NBA. Human nature...heard of it?


it is definitely a problem unique to the NBA. human nature kind of gets weeded out at this level of competition where the best of the best are being paid millions of dollars. yet somehow the NBA has more than its fair share of losers.
rick
Compared to the other north american pro team sports, it has always been my opinion that playing in the NBA requires the least strategy - you need to be quite athletic for the most part (relative to say many roles in MLB and the NFL), but as a strategic sport, the concept is pretty basic, relatively speaking. I'd imagine that makes practice seem overly dull, eventually. Not to say that's a valid excuse, but just the nature of the sport.

At the same time, using AI as the example is going to the extreme, clearly. He's the Terrell Owens / Sean Avery / ??? (couldn't come up with an active MLB example) of his sport of late.
Phife
QUOTE(rick @ Oct 28 2009, 03:33 PM) *
Compared to the other north american pro team sports, it has always been my opinion that playing in the NBA requires the least strategy - you need to be quite athletic for the most part (relative to say many roles in MLB and the NFL), but as a strategic sport, the concept is pretty basic, relatively speaking. I'd imagine that makes practice seem overly dull, eventually. Not to say that's a valid excuse, but just the nature of the sport.

At the same time, using AI as the example is going to the extreme, clearly. He's the Terrell Owens / Sean Avery / ??? (couldn't come up with an active MLB example) of his sport of late.

The fill-in-the-blank there is Milton Bradley.

And I think you're wrong Colnel. In the real world there are pricks who think its all about them in every field. Last year at the American Academy of Religion (the professional gathering of academics studying religion) there was a meeting at which two of the top Second-Temple Judaism scholars proposed different opinions in their papers. One of them was kind and engaged the work of the other one. The other was haughty, overly confident, and prickish.

It's not just the NBA. When I worked for minimum wage at various jobs as a teen there was always that one person who would come in late and what not because they thought they were entitle to better treatment than the rest of us.

Besides, you cruised right over the point I made in my email: there have always been all-about-me guys in the NBA but there have also always been good teammates.

Thus, its not just now in the NBA and its not just the NBA.
Stupidito
Brook Lopez of the Nets might come into his own this year. The guy is going to be a beast in the future.
rick
Watching 3 games across 3 sports @ once (will try and up this to 4 on Sunday??) was a tad challenging, and my focus was mostly on baseball, but what I did get to see of my Raptors made me very happy!! I hadn't been paying that close attention in the off-season, apparently, as I didn't realize the bench was pretty much completely retooled!!
The Gunslinger
We should have did a Fantasy BBall league.
Dean
QUOTE(The Gunslinger @ Oct 29 2009, 10:05 AM) *
We should have did a Fantasy BBall league.

I'm very disappointed you didn't think of it, Mr. Fantasy! smile.gif
The Gunslinger
QUOTE(Dean @ Oct 29 2009, 01:38 PM) *
QUOTE(The Gunslinger @ Oct 29 2009, 10:05 AM) *
We should have did a Fantasy BBall league.

I'm very disappointed you didn't think of it, Mr. Fantasy! smile.gif


Actually I did but I really didn't want to be the commissioner since not everyone loves my commish skills so I didn't bring it up.
Phife
It's not too late.
rick
Somebody do it... I'm in.
fitz21
QUOTE(rick @ Oct 29 2009, 04:24 PM) *
Somebody do it... I'm in.


I'd do a league if it's weekly updates, I don't have it in me to check in daily. I can set it up if that sounds good.
The Gunslinger
I think LeBron would easily be the best pg in basketball if they played him there.
fitz21
QUOTE(The Gunslinger @ Nov 6 2009, 09:11 PM) *
I think LeBron would easily be the best pg in basketball if they played him there.


Aside from not being quick enough to guard Nash/CP3/Rose/Rondo man up, not getting any assists that aren't drive kick-outs, and making a living begging for fouls, I'd think about it. Same reasons D-Wade now / Jordan before didn't actually play PG.
Phife
Bron-Bron could play PG on O and SF/PF on D.
rick
It's the free-throw factor that would be the biggest negative, I'd imagine. Unless he's just going to one-man-gang it on every play (and we've seen where that leads a team in the long run)
fitz21
QUOTE(Phife @ Nov 7 2009, 02:37 AM) *
Bron-Bron could play PG on O and SF/PF on D.


If he's playing with two PG/SG types and just bringing up the ball, isn't it more like when Dirk, Pierce, Turkolu or young KG brought the ball up?
Phife
QUOTE(fitz21 @ Nov 7 2009, 02:45 PM) *
QUOTE(Phife @ Nov 7 2009, 02:37 AM) *
Bron-Bron could play PG on O and SF/PF on D.


If he's playing with two PG/SG types and just bringing up the ball, isn't it more like when Dirk, Pierce, Turkolu or young KG brought the ball up?

No. He could play the position the way that Magic Johnson did. That's what I meant.
The Gunslinger
QUOTE(Phife @ Nov 7 2009, 07:29 PM) *
QUOTE(fitz21 @ Nov 7 2009, 02:45 PM) *
QUOTE(Phife @ Nov 7 2009, 02:37 AM) *
Bron-Bron could play PG on O and SF/PF on D.


If he's playing with two PG/SG types and just bringing up the ball, isn't it more like when Dirk, Pierce, Turkolu or young KG brought the ball up?

No. He could play the position the way that Magic Johnson did. That's what I meant.


That is what I had in mind when i originally said it.
Dean
You think LeBron is willing to give up the ball enough to do that? The PG is supposed to be more of a distributor than a scorer.
rick
I'm a bit boggled as to why LeBron would think there is any good reason to consider the Knicks (my favorite team growing up, before the Raptors existed - Ewing was and always will be my favorite player) as the place to go next season, given how the one thing he must really want at this point is a championship and the one thing the Knicks have shown for years now is their inability to build anything that looks remotely competitive. Does he really think the "dump a few all-stars on it" solution is a worthy approach??

If I was him, I'd be looking at some of these western teams, like a Utah or a Houston, where he could be the ingredient that moves the team from competitor to elite.
fitz21
I think the presumptive favorites for LeBron have to be the Nets right now, don't they? They'll be in Brooklyn soon, they've got tons of cap space to sign him plus another good to very good player (probably a PF/C so think Camby, David Lee, Boozer, or maybe even Bosh or Amare) and will have a core of Devin Harris, Courtney Lee, and Brook Lopez around him.
The Gunslinger
How the hell does one person have 12 turn overs in one game? At some point you would think Agent Zero would have just stopped doing stuff.
rick
Simply put, Wade is better in every way conceivable.
The Gunslinger
Byron Scott just got shit canned.
Dean
QUOTE(The Gunslinger @ Nov 12 2009, 10:34 AM) *
Byron Scott just got shit canned.

There has to be more to it than a 3-6 start. He's done a pretty damn fine job, especially the last couple of years. OK, so they aren't a great playoff team, but they have been performing well in the regular season. I feel bad for him, but I think he's shown himself worthy of landing somewhere else as a head coach.
Dean
"...if I'm not going to wear No. 23, then nobody else should be able to wear it."

It's a noble cause, but he's a fucking dumbass for making statements like this.

LeBron wants all players to surrender 23

In my opinion, there's no way the league retires Jordan's number. It's just not going to happen with all the groundbreaking players that came before him.
Dean
Anyone that cares about the NBA already knows this...

Allen Iverson and the Griz mutually agreed Monday to terminate the one-year, $3.1 million contract he signed in September. Under the agreement, Iverson essentially forfeited the remainder of his salary.

So, is he done? Three games played off the bench this year. Is he too good to sit on the bench? Or has he got to the point where he really is that guy and he can't accept it?
Phife
As you probably heard Dean, AI has one interested suitor.

I'll let you guess who it is...



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Did you guess yet?



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That's right...the New York Knicks!
The Gunslinger
The Knicks might as well sign him for this season only. Maybe he will put a butt or two in the seats. Lord knows they have nothing else going on.
Dean
Aparently he's given up that dream of ever winning a title! laugh.gif

So, presuming he lasts a few more years slumming around the league, does he make the Hall of Fame? He is a 10 time All-Star and has been MVP of the league... I'm on the fence.
fitz21
Now that the Knicks don't want AI, maybe he'll pull a PJ Brown and just sit around at home waiting for a playoff contender to have a major injury and sign him down the stretch...
The Gunslinger
Steven A. Smith is reporting that The Answer is gonna retire.
The Gunslinger
QUOTE(The Gunslinger @ Nov 25 2009, 06:03 PM) *
Steven A. Smith is reporting that The Answer is gonna retire.


Boy, did that last long.
Dean
Well, I guess that also answers the question about whether he just wants the paycheck or actually wants to win a ring. Oh, and it also shows that Steven A. Smith is a douche, but we already knew that.
rick
Did anyone see the clip from the Bulls/Raptors game where the Raptors player stops to tie his shoes with the ball crooked in his arm, while the clock just ticks away and the Bulls players just stand their and wait? I lol'd.


Edit: also, I've read a lot over this weekend about the dominance of the Lakers, particularly within the West. Yes, they are a great team. But they are not these leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else like the writers are saying... they've played 15 of 19 @ home to start the season - and lead the Suns by 2 games (who have played 14 of 21 on the road to start, and are undefeated @ home). And the Suns aren't even the next best record in the West!!!
Dean
The Lakers certainly don't have anything locked up, and there's plenty that could go wrong, but they are playing well. As far as the home vs. away schedule, it has been lopsided, but the Lakers had the best road record in the league last year, so in theory it shouldn't matter. We'll know more once they've got a couple of those road games out of the way.
Dean
Are NBA executives high?

>> LINK <<

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NEW YORK, Dec. 8 (UPI) -- Women could be playing in the NBA within a decade, league commissioner David Stern says.

When asked by Sports Illustrated magazine if there could be female players in the league someday, he answered, "Sure. I think that's well within the range of probability."

The magazine then asked Stern if he thought it would happen sometime within the next decade. He answered: "I think we might. I don't want to get into all kinds of arguments with players and coaches about the likelihood. But I really think it's a good possibility."

"The public would be excited about it," Kiki Vandeweghe, New Jersey Nets general manager and interim coach, told SI. "Whether you're in China or Europe or Africa, basketball is a common language and it breaks barriers. It's a language that's spoken all over the world, and this is another barrier that it would bring down. It's exciting, and it's a logical next step."

But there are doubters, the magazine said.

"Think about the overall speed, athleticism and strength (in the NBA)," an unnamed league GM said. "They can't take the pounding, the wear and tear, the quickness, the strength. It's not possible for them right now."
rick
Me thinks soccer is a much bigger "common language" than hoops... and they ain't doing it.

I disagree with the unnamed league GM, however. His logic says the best female player(s) available could not compete with the worst male player(s) currently getting shots ... hogwash.

Has this even happened in a pre-season game yet? Because it has in the NHL.
Dean
I don't believe it's happened in pre-season, but I might be wrong.

It seems that any chance of a woman playing in an NBA game would have to be in a guard position, which obviously favors a smaller, faster player. I don't know how well even the largest women would do against the 7 feet, 300 pounders. If male point guards can succeed when they are under 6 feet and 150 pounds, of which there have been a few, then an athletic female could too as long as she could handle the ball well.

Having said that, I don't think it's happening anytime in the next 10 years.
sheepdog
Baseball seems like the easiest major sport for women to integrate into (unless you count Golf), and I don't think any are quite on the verge of that. I remember a few years back there was a female pitcher for the St. Paul Saints (independent), and there were also maybe two more in the very low echelons of organizations. On the other hand, I supposed baseball isn't nearly as often played by women as are basketball and soccer.

If I'm a GM and I can make my basketball team significantly better by adding a female player, I'm definitely going to explore that. I thought the point of the WNBA was to prevent that, though, at least for a while.
The Gunslinger
If the All Star voting ended right now Tracy MacGrady would be a starter at guard.


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rick
Every sport is a joke when it comes to this stuff.
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